Hands up, who has a Windows 11 compatible system?

MikeHart

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Wow, the system requirements for Windows 11 are beyond my systems specs. I would need at least a new CPU (Ryzen 5 3600) and I am not sure if my Mainboard will be supported.
I guess the times when Windows ran on even old dogs are over. Maybe my next machine will be Linux only? I dunno.
 

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According to the compatibility tool, that they decided remove due to Microsoft getting such a backlash on the number a machines only a couple of years old that cannot run it. The ASUS Ryzen 7 3700u laptop I bought around a year ago is the only thing I have that will run it.
 

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I guess the times when Windows ran on even old dogs are over.
Isn't that the minimum system requirements only to get a free upgrade from Windows 10 to 11? My understanding is that you be able to still install it on anything and it is up to the hardware manufacturer to provide a driver but you have to get a license for Win 11 if your machine does not meet to 'minimum system requirements' to get a free upgrade.

This is the minimum requirements to run Windows 11:
1GHz 2-core processor, 4GB memory, 64GB of storage, DX12 compatible graphics. it is sounds pretty low to me and It is up to the GPU manufacturers to provide a DX12 compatible driver. So, I think as long there will be cheap office PC's running Windows 11, we have nothing to worry about. We just don't get a free upgrade.

You can find more info here with a link to a list of all processors Windows 11 going to be compatible with (spoiler : intel Atom is on the list):
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
 

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Your CPU has to support certain features. TPM 2.0, etc.
When released, they are ruling out Ryzen Zen1 gen CPUs and any Intel CPUs from generation 7 and lower.
The leaked version of Win11 runs on lower end CPUs but that will change once it is out. If you have the leaked beta installed, then you are stuck with it if your CPU and Motherboard is not supported.

My CPU, Ryzen 5 2400G isn't on the list.
 

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No the list is fine. Do you see any Ryzen 1600 or lower, do you see any I7-4770k or so on it? No.
There are low end chips that meet the requirements, but a lot higher ones don't not that they could but MS simply drew a line in the market. These are supported, these not.

Well that is what a lot of tech YTers post these days.

 

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MS did the Apple move here. That saying from MS "Windows 10 will be the last Windows OS on your system" kinda makes sense now :D
 

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From what I undersand, my modest i3-6006U-driven laptop seems to be Win11 ready?!
 

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Hello, first post on the boards...

My old system, I say old, it has a Intel Core i5 6400 in it, apparently isnt going to be support from what I understand, and will miss support by a generation, as I understand, it's 7th gen+ they are apparently aiming for...

Which is annoying because my system passes all the actual compatibility requirements specified for Windows 11 with that chipset!

MS may have moved the goal posts since then mind, but, yeah... I was a bit "Your joking!?!", as the system spec is quite a good one really, decent GPU with heaps of memory attached to it, 16gig of system memory, it will not be defunct when they stop support for Win10, it has the specs to be a good little machine wayyyy after that, but MS has decided it just isnt good enough! :/

So, I looked into the Mac, if MS are going the "We're just dropping it" route, and bought a Mac Mini, I've never been keen on Apples approach, walled garden, expensive repairs etc etc, but as the years have rolled on, if you ask me, it's all started to fuse together, noone wants you to fix stuff, everything IS expensive, and, every man and his dog are looking to get on "App Stores", be it Apples, Play, Steam etc etc So, if you cannot beat'em and all that...

And well, I've quite enjoyed using OSX again, it's fluffy, had it about a month now, M1 chipset, all the software I need is on it, I installed Parallels (Trail), chuck Win10 ARM on it to see whats what, and do you know what... I've never needed to open it, all the software I use is pretty much on here, I use Libre Office anyway, so thats auto sorted, I subscribe to Adobe for Premier Pro and Photoshop, they work, AGK works, and pretty much overjoyed last night when I tried Cerberus, and well, it was a case of downloading, whipping something in there, and getting it in the simulator without fannying on...

The only thing that doesnt work is B4x which I use, but, I have a Surface, which, will do the job, compile times are longer, but, bearable. Other then that, yeah... Made the change, give my younger brother my Windows desktop which MS dont want to support, should see him out, runs VR no problem, like I said, great machine, but... Meh... Seems how it's going the next upgrade I give myself after using the Mac Mini and knowing I can pretty much do what I did on a Windows PC will probably be an iMac.

Not that it will make a dint me looking elsewhere from Windows due to MS's decision, but, I very much doubt I'm not the only one... Oh, and one more little piss take from MS which I find out of order, is they are still selling stuff on their website that wont be compatible with Win11... That's just a bloody cheek if you ask me!

Dabz
 

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Windows 11 is nice but I have to say I don't care much any longer about the differences in Windows and macOS, as they from a user-perspective have become a pretty much the same they both are a safe and user-friendly platform. I only use a particular platform because I really need to do so as a developer. VisualStudio & xCode controls what I have..

The new .NET that will be cross-platform, together with a proper version of Visual Studio for mac will probably make macOS the most practical computer to have as a developer. As a user I could happily pick Windows11 but, again as as user I would probably go for a life with Android-tablet/iPad only.
 

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Hello, first post on the boards...
Welcome on the forum.

Reagarding your Mac, while quite a great machine, in a few years it will be obsolete, aka not powerful enough. My 2014 Mac mini runs Big sur now like a snail. 5-10 Minutes to start, 5 Minutes to open an email. OUCH!
 

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I know Mike, but I only really bought it to see how I would get on with OSX in the present, like, can I manage? Back when I had an iMac in 2011, I seemed to be in bootcamp all of the time anyway, when I was knocking iOS games out, that was really the only time I would go into OSX, and even then, I had a VM running as I was devving in GLBasic, and as you know, you need XCode to build/test on devices and finally submit to the appstore, it was an expensive bit of kit just to jump the final hurdle for iOS...

So, there is another upgrade coming, I know, which I will spend more on, get better specs and all that jazz, but like I said, a decade later from my last Apple experience, its a whole lot better and the only thing is B4X which, again, I can use my Surface for that, which, lol, is proper Win11 compatible!

What can I make of it all in a personal sense? Well, Apple is expensive, there's no argument, we all know that, from the initial layout to repairs, more of a hassle then just swapping busted components, I'm prepared for that really... But somewhere along the line, support and tools I want is now available on OSX, so there is no need for bootcamp or VM's, I was impressed how CBX just "worked", that's a must, AGK just "worked", and, well, I've been in the Xcode playground and farted about with Swift, which was a lot of fun (I'm funny like that) and bought this book for a night time read... Apple Game Frameworks and Technologies: Build 2D Games with Spritekit & Swift, so I might have a play with doing something "native", but at the minute, I think CBX will do me fine as a bit of code I want to move over is BlitzMax, so, plonking it into CBX should be a breeze! ;)

Dabz
 

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Double-welcome to the forum!

I'm super-impressed with CBX how I can get it working so easily and without any kind of problem on my mac. Also equally amazed how it will output 60 fps in my Safari browser, I mean it's an 2012 Macbook Air after all. But it performs like a dream. Som days are better than others of course, as macOS constantly wants to update of course and every week I have to throw something out of the 64GB drive, and this is why It also basically have become a CBX-only computer by now.

I will be so happy the day when I can throw out QT and gain some precious space and put some music apps back on it.
 

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Well, I've had a bit of a nice surprise... Little did I know you can get VS for Mac, so, I've download it and had a play, and to my absolute joy, you can build Xamarin apps in there with C#, which, should cover me using B4A and B4I, where as the central part of my project was made in B4J, which is nearly complete anyway, and the boon is... You can edit the .xaml file on the fly and it updates the app in the simulator.

Me likes that, though the meat of my apps will depend on HTTP jobs to a server, I've already spied "HttpClient" in the docs, so, mega promising, will look into that later! :)

So yeah, little bit more digging, and the auld Surface might be on eBay! :D hehehe

Dabz
 

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in a few years it will be obsolete, aka not powerful enough. My 2014 Mac mini runs Big sur now like a snail. 5-10 Minutes to start, 5 Minutes to open an email. OUCH!

It seems to me 5 years support is becoming the norm everywhere. My Windows 10 laptop I have purchased in 2015 did notify me last year it is reached it's end of life and won't be getting any more Windows updates. Since earlier this year, it is stopped updating. If I open the update manager and try to download updates it is telling me, updates are on hold because they are not compatible with my device. It is just no longer download and install updates automatically. I did not received any Windows 10 updates this year.
Obviously I also won't be able to upgrade to Win11 either and if they indeed prevent installing Win11 on old CPU's, they definitely going to also stop updates when the time comes and they drop support.

My Chromebook I have purchased in 2017 also report that it is going to reach end of life in 2022 and going to stop getting updates after.

My Android devices never received any updates ever, I believe Samsung and Google announced they begin to sell their devices with 2-5 years updates but I don't know if it's actually true.

So I am not trying to defend Mac's here but the fact you are able to run the latest macOS on a 7 years old hardware and you are still getting updates, is not a bad thing really even if it's slow. But otherwise I agree, my 2019 iMac I have purchased last year already show signs of getting slow. I am seriously considering to replace it with an M1X iMac the moment they get released (if I can sell my Intel iMac at a good price). It is just not a great experience in terms of performance to be honest, I agree on that. But I hope Apple silicon going to improve this.
 

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Back in the day I thought these rumors of Apple slowing down your machine via code is blocks. But after i saw that behavior with my old IMac (which runs Linux just fine) and now the Mac mini, I totally believe that.
 

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But yes, we have to deal with it . Guess Linux is the online way out.
 

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I don't know if I can believe that Apple intentionally slow devices down, maybe I am just naive but could be some truth to that Intel, Nvidia, AMD did not provide proper drivers and that is why Apple trying to get away from 3rd parties not just trying to be evil and lock people in to a walled garden but if you think about it, 3rd parties constantly screw Apple over beginning with Microsoft. Originally Apple did rely on Microsoft to develop apps for macOS and then they decided to make their own OS and I can believe that Intel, Nvidia, AMD was not better. Even the open-source community was like 'neh...Apple' if something did not worked, everyone just blame Apple and Apple blame everyone.
I guess we are about to find out with Apple silicon because there is nobody to blame now. There is no batteries in iMac's to say 'it is to protect the battery' and they are in total control of the software and hardware so they also can't blame it on 3rd parties.

But yeah, it seems Linux is becoming the only option for 5+ years old hardwares now but good news for gamers with Steam Deck on the horizon, maybe, possibly big studios now going to seriously consider to support Linux.

But then Linux also need to grow up finally and hold. Maybe I am just not lucky with finding Linux compatible hardware but every single distro I tried was unreliable on the long run and crashed on me just after few months. Before I got my iMac, I tried PopOS on my Windows desktop to bring some life back to it but after 7 months it begin to slow down, it took 10 minutes to boot (was slower than Windows) and the last nail in the coffin was when it failed to install a system update and corrupted the system, I was no longer able to boot or recover the system. Only 7 months. Before that I tried Ubuntu 18.04 but crashed on me just after 2 months. Tried Xubuntu on my older hardware but crashed after 4 months, MXLinux crashed after 3 months....the list goes on. The last distro I was able to trust was Ubuntu 12.04, I was using it for 2 years as my daily drive without issues. After upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04 (clean install), crashed just after a bloody week..... I love Linux but I can't trust it for everyday use.
 

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I love Macos and the devices. But it makes no sense to me that they became slower with every iteration of the OS. That is why I believe that. Apple is making more money from Hardware sales. Not so much from software.

I will try to make a clean reinstall of Big Sur. Any hints on how to do it?
 

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I think they got "caught" slowing down handheld devices on the basis of saying it helps extend battery life, which, apparently, it does... But it did annoy a lot because a lot of people took that as an excuse for them to get customers to upgrade, even though there was some truth to the matter.

If they give end users a choice at the time, even let them know they were doing it, it may of not been an issue... Keep going as normal, battery degrades, need to charge it more... Slow the lot down, make battery last even though it is degrading, less charging time.

For stuff plugged into a wall though... That is a bit suss mind if that's what happens, they cannot really hold an excuse for that one.

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